Smells Fishy

By Hippie Killer

I’m often confused by what is and isn’t considered unethical in the medical profession, but I have to say — Dr. Julian Bailes selling fish oil directly to his own patients seems tacky as hell to me. It it sounds more like something you would buy off the back of a horse-drawn cart in the 1800’s instead of from a multi-millionaire neurosurgeon and university professor.

Now I don’t doubt that fish oil is good for you — but I’d rather get my fish oil from actual fish instead of expensive pill form, thank you very much. I mean, unless the pills have a ginger-miso glaze and come with a bag of mesclun mix. If that’s the case, I take it all back.

I first heard about Bailes and his magical fish oil elixir potion after the Sago disaster — and to hear the media talk, you’d think it was the fish oil alone that saved Randal McCloy’s life. Forgive me for doubting that. But if you’re curious, Bailes takes cash or check, made payable to him. Classy.

It gets a little better though. Bailes was introduced to the business of fish oil peddling by none other than Dr. Barry Sears, creator of the Zone Diet, and major player in the 40 BILLION dollar-a-year diet industry. Sigh.

Like I sort of hinted at before, much of what is considered acceptable practice in the medical profession looks a whole hell of a lot like payola and kickbacks to many of us. But if Julian Bailes wants to hawk dietary supplements ala “Doctor” Phil, I guess it’s nobody’s buisness but his own.

And I’ll bet business is good.

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Bonus — The American Medical Student Association grades medical schools on conflicts of interest. WVU gets a D.

189 Responses to “Smells Fishy”

  1. lilaclady Says:

    If I remember correctly, when Ray Lane was CEO of Oracle, WVU purchased a multi-million dollar accounting system from Oracle – I believe he gave $5M back as a donation – doesn’t smell like fish oil. . . or does it?

  2. Revolutionary Says:

    Exactly, Lila – don’t believe Lane to be on the up and up.

  3. Lou Says:

    WVU has an ethics line that could be used to report something like this. See https://secure.ethicspoint.com/domain/media/en/gui/14303/081706B.html

    A colleague used it for another issue and indicated that the identity of the person reporting a perceived violation is kept anonymous. There is limited feedback on actions taken.

    If those in the HSC believe that they have enough evidence that this is occurring, you should each report it. Multiple reports are sure to get attention.

  4. Looselips Says:

    Prescott told Bailes to stop selling the stuff from his clinic but that didn’t happen

  5. Jay Says:

    Lila Clady, Rev?

    Whether or not the science of the fish oil is valid – and it just might be – you’ll be burping and farting something equivalent to a sardine cannery with those pills.

    Eat the fish.

  6. Poe Dunk Says:

    HK, thank you. If Dr. Bailes is still running to become VP for Health System or whatever it’s going to be called, the public and other decision makers need to understand what he will do to make money. He would have no time to lead people who, for the large part, have no respect for him.

  7. Poe Dunk Says:

    HK, of course, it’s someone’s business. He is doing it at WVU HSC. No one else is allowed to do that.

  8. GMG Says:

    I was told that Bailes has stopped selling the AmeriScience supplements – or Fish Oil – In his clinic. Does anyone know if this is true?

  9. Ann Says:

    When I read about corruption, intimidated employees, understaffing, too many neurosurgeons and not enough cardiac specialists in a state ripe for heart attacks — that bothers me.

    Not knowing Bailes, the major positive I’ve heard about him is that he appears to be open enough to alternative — and god forbid, maybe even holistic! — medicine to try a natural cure before a pharmaceutical one.

    Fish oil helps reduce cholesterol. Who knows what else it can do? Fish oil has been big in alternative health care for years. It’s preferable to try natural substances, life style changes, etc. before cutting someone open or putting them on an expensive medication (with side effects) for life.

    Most people won’t eat enough fish to get the benefit of fish oil. At $9+ a pound, poor people don’t eat salmon.

    Many doctors seem to know very little about natural cures and the benefit of vitamins and food in healing. Their lack of curiosity about the subject is scary. Western medicine is still slash and burn. I’m not discounting times intervention like surgery is necessary but it needs to be the last resort. And there are miracle drugs, including antibiotics.

    Thirty years ago, everyone into holistic health was talking about antibiotic abuse/over-prescribing antibiotics and what it would do. NOW you hear about it on mainstream news — antibiotic resistant strains, etc.

    I see an ethical question in selling directly to patients unless he can show that his particular fish oil has benefits others don’t.

    A 1.5 million salary when others are underpaid bothers me more than $10 bottles of fish oil. That’s my rant. And no, I don’t sell fish oil.

  10. Anonymous Says:

    My objection is to personally benefiting from selling a product within the WVU health system, not whether Omega Rx is a worthwhile product. Instruct the patient to find some on his or her own, but this is very shabby especially for someone who will kill to become VP for Health System.

    Alternative medicine is one thing; adding on to personal wealth is another. Do it through traditional means if a state university is your primary employer.

    Oh and this stuff costs more than $9 a pound…

  11. Ann Says:

    I agree with your objection, Anonymous. The days of selling patent medicine off the wagon are long gone.

  12. Poe Dunk Says:

    Ann, your concerns about corruption, intimidated employees, understaffing are quite worrisome. Dr. Bailes has aspirations to lead WVU Health, but his track record of helping R & V and Garrison is not a good qualification. And that worries many people.

    Anyone remember the names of the doctors that Deluzio and Violi mentioned on the cover of their draft report? I know they mention Bailes and Butcher.

  13. Alum Living in Harrison County WV Says:

    Remember, Bailes is a butt buddy of Manchin.
    He is a spoke in the wheels of the Manchin Machine.
    In that context, selling fish oil is perfectly fine, just like selling the snake oil Manchin has beed peddling for years.

    SSDD*

    *Same Shit, Different Day.

    Just another typical day in the State of Manchin.

    Recycled Master’s Degrees, anyone? Fish oil? Snake oil? Horse shit?

  14. Alum Living in Harrison County WV Says:

    Yes, off topic, but interesting:

    http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08182/893779-100.stm

  15. Mark PGH Says:

    So ya really thought Mike Garrison was leaving WVU?…..think again:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08183/893869-85.stm

  16. Alum Living in Harrison County WV Says:

    Mark PGH is right, just like many predicted, when the “announcement” was made by the Manchinite called Garrison.
    All of us need to resume chanting GARRISON MUST GO.
    This smells worse than fish, it smells like shit.

  17. Molly's Mom Says:

    Having Carolyin Long as chair of the BOG is a big problem. How can that be avoided?

  18. get serious Says:

    hey boys and girls, anyone remember how f’ed up neurosurgery was with howie kaufmann in charge. just a reminder.

  19. Mark PGH Says:

    This is total bullshit….something has to be done NOW to make sure that everyone involved in the Breschgate matter is GONE from WVU….and I mean COMPLETELY GONE WITH NO FURTHER INVOLVEMENT with the school. This includes:

    GARRISON
    LANG
    CASE
    MACIA
    SEARS

    And anyone else I may have forgotten.

    Also….we need to push for action to hold Heather Bresch accountable for her actions which stand as the Genesis of this whole mess. LET’S NOT FORGET THAT!

  20. Anonymous Says:

    get serious, tie Dr. Bailes to neurosurgery and monitor his time and quality. then we have no problems. Have him bring in consultants and his Pgh buddies and sell fish oil at the hospital and clinic, then there are problems.

    Isn’t there a fairly hefty deficit in that department?

  21. get serious Says:

    what department doesn’t hve a deficit. i.e. anesthesia is a black hole. got to pay market value and reimbursement sucks.

  22. wvuhscex Says:

    Ann, dont delude yourself to believe that Dr Bailes is investigating the,as yet, unproven scientific basis of the use of medicinal fish oil………any good academician with a clinical research interest would GLADLY participate in randomized clinical trials evaluating safety and efficacy of “alternative medicines”.in fact the NIH is leading the charge with their “complementary and alternative medicine” trials (or support thereof)…there are BILLIONS of dollars yearly spent on these interventions with very little good scientific data about benefit..recent publication about “black cohash for treatment of hot flashes” has, in a scientific forum, now proven no benefit clinically………when you get back to BAILES.this is not about good science,its about greed!…….period..case closed end of discussion……get rid of him…..

  23. Anonymous Says:

    I know a lot about departments and anesthesiology, so don’t patronize, get serious. It is a tough one, but just maybe he should stick there and quit politicking?

    WV is truly a difficult state in which to provide health care. Maybe he needs to go where the grass is greener.

  24. get serious Says:

    sounds like you are a dr. bob pal. bring back the good ole days of mediocre practitioners at low pay and don’t rock the boat or you’re out on your ear.

  25. Anonymous Says:

    Fair pay is terrific, based upon performance and outcomes. And I hope to hell someone rocks the WVU health system bigtime. Name calling like “dr. bob pal” hurts your comments, hon.

  26. get serious Says:

    and comments like manchin” butt buddy” don’t ?? we need to clean out the old guard and start over. lets start out fresh and work the problem rather than attacking high profile physicians who are interested in making things better.

  27. YES, MARK PGH! Says:

    We cannot lose site of the fact that these people are still working at WVU…and that they have not been held accountable.
    Garrison steps down but still earns his salary?
    Case moves to an already f-u HSC?
    (Just for the record, I would be glad to step down from my job and still get my salary, but the m-f would probably object to that…I am not a Manchinitte (thank God).)
    And Heather is probably justa little peeved that the “mob” has called her on her lies, but where’s the justice?
    WHat do we need to do to get rid of these jerks?

  28. Alum Living in Harrison County WV Says:

    get serious needs to GET SERIOUS.
    Attack a high profile physician who is interested in making things better?
    Who are you talking about?
    Certainly could not be Bailes.
    He is a dictatorial don’t-mess-with-me-or-else individual.
    Just like his butt buddy Manchin.
    Yes, clean out the entire rat’s nest, but that includes all the boys who belong to the Family Manchin.
    Bailes is the Honorary Italian Of The Year at the Italian Heritage Festival in Clarksburg. Wow, imagine that, Bailes, an Italian Name.
    Right.
    Bailes is a butt buddy of Manchin, that is how he got the ‘honor’ of being italian.
    His interests are entirely SELF.
    He is a piss poor leader, and a piss poor italian.
    Don’t insult our great italian citizens you moron.

  29. get serious Says:

    wow, a little sensitive are we?? you’ve shown that this is nothing but an ad hominem attack on bailes and nothing else. bitterness is an awful way to live your life. don’t kick the dog just because i won’t drink your kool-aid.

  30. Alum Living in Harrison County WV Says:

    get serious—
    open your eyes to the reality around you
    it will set your brain free
    i am not bitter, just realistic
    you would benefit from doing the same
    truth is stranger than fiction

  31. wvuhscex Says:

    well, maybe not bailes,but most of the “upper level administration that begins with B”………bailes/brick/butcher/bob……….it’s ROTTEN AT THE TOP

  32. get serious Says:

    calm down before you blow out an “o” ring. i think you might benefit from a visit to the sidney banks institute or maybe some valerian root. only $19.95 at gnc. two sides to every story, deal with it.

  33. fox hunter Says:

    Molly’s mom: Why is Carolyn Long a problem?

  34. Molly's Mom Says:

    She is probably a good person as a school superintendant, but her experience with higher education is quite limited. Her son’s extreme pro-Garrison letter, while I don’t hold her accountable for her actions, taints her with many people. She sat quietly on the BOG during a time when leadership and integrity would have been helpful. Given the new talent coming to the board, she does not hold up well by comparison. She will be a weak link, I fear.

  35. Molly's Mom Says:

    oops not her actions but his actions

  36. azlo's friend Says:

    Jeez, i go to lunch and all hell breaks loose on HK. What is going on with you guys? get serious, Bailes is a buddy (note that I don’t say what kind) of the Governor’s and certainly willing to go to him via cell phone for help rather than working with others to solve problems at HSC. He enjoyed working with R and V, and they said they will “make him famous.” I do know some patients who think he is a good doctor, but I know many others who do not. And many doctors think he is a good doctor; others question his judgment. As an administrator, he would fail miserably.

  37. Christy Callaghan Says:

    “a high profile physician who is interested in making things better?”

    What I remember about Dr. Bailes from the recent past is that he walked his letter supporting Garrison around the HSC after getting Butcher and Brick to sign first, thus not so subtly coercing those who were subordinates. The letter’s over the top praise of Garrison was sickening.

    Get serious needs to “get serious” and “get honest” — Bailes obviopsly is part of the Manchin/Goodwin/Garrison cabal that tried to turn the HSC into their own personal fiefdom.

  38. azlo's friend Says:

    I think it is accurate to say that Dr. Bailes is “high profile.” Google him, and you will find him in many different non-medical venues, serving as medical advisor for his fish oil product companies. You can even watch videos of his lectures. I do not begrudge him this work nor do I dispute claims that fish oil has a place in health care, but his participation in this arena certainly detracts from any work he might do at WVU.

  39. get serious Says:

    i know bailes is a friend of joe. r and v may be friends with him also but they sure screwed up their work at hsc and in my eyes they are idiots and should go back to selling washers and dryers. their actions made them famous in the wrong direction. as far as docs go patients love or hate docs based on their perceived experience. since you know he isn’t qualified to be an administrator then your crystal ball must have exploded when prescott was named dean of medicine.

  40. get serious Says:

    dear christy, i assume you have the all the facts at your finger tips and therfore are not to be disagreed with??

  41. azlo's friend Says:

    Yeah and again when they named Dr. Jim Brick. get serious, no one has all the facts including you. They didn’t talk about making themselves famous, but they promised Dr. Bailes in a FOIAd email that they would make HIM famous.

  42. get serious Says:

    i never claimed to be right . too many people on here act as if they have all the answers, i’m just providing an opposing side. there are two sides to every discussion, it’s ok not to like bailes, just say that’s why you’re attacking him and move on.

  43. Hippie Killer Says:

    Get Serious, your concern is noted.

    You are also free to move on.

  44. get serious Says:

    why do i move on but these other guys are free to stay. don’t i fit the agenda??

  45. azlo's friend Says:

    90% of the other guys talk respectfully, and HK didn’t give you the boot, just a suggestion you can act on.

  46. poliscigeek Says:

    So, Garrison stays as something, Heather remains in her executive position at Mylan collecting her $1 million+ in compensation, Manchin is re-elected Governor and WVU’ s reputation and the credibility of the degrees it awards are tarnished immeasurably, taking years to repair – no apologies, little in the way of consequences and business as usual in old West By God Virginia. Ya gotta love it!!

  47. wvuhscex Says:

    there you go poliscigeek, now you understand it…….

  48. Molly's Mom Says:

    Let’s see who is chosen as interim president before we completely throw in the towel. Even then, it will take a decade to reapir things, but at least there may be hope.

    My take on Garrison is that he is a pariah and could not find work elsewhere after this debacle. I think he does know that he has really screwed things up.

  49. Christy Callaghan Says:

    “Get Serious says
    July 1, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    dear christy, i assume you have the all the facts at your finger tips and therfore are not to be disagreed with??”

    Well, “Get Serious” the facts I mentioned above about Bailes and his support for Garrison (as well as his connections to the Garrison enablers — Puskar, Petropouls, Centra Bank, Manchin — are documented and most of those who participate and read this blog know them. You are welcome to disagree with facts — for example you are free to claim that “the world is flat” — you call it giving “the opposite side” — others might call it “living in a fantasy world” — which of course you are welcome to do. I agree with you on one thing — most of us here — including HK — do have an agenda — and that is finding the truth.

  50. get serious Says:

    sorry if i seem disrespectful. i just don’t agree with you. they really are not the same.

  51. Looselips Says:

    did some research today at the hospital

    talked to physicians. A high-ranking physician told me that Bailes will not be placed in any power position there as there would be wide-spread mutiny by physicians. he is not currently held in high regard.

  52. Molly's Mom Says:

    What do you mean, get serious? What would you do to improve HSC/UHA/UHS? Where would you start?

  53. Looselips Says:

    did some additional research regarding the fish oil. Had an assistant call Neurosurgery. You can call yourself. 293-5041. Ask for Robin. Robin is out until July 8, so Sue is stepping in. She can order you fish oil.

    High-ranking physician told me Bailes sold the oil out of his clinic after the miner miracle, and then was told he couldn’t do that. You can still get it through his office. Don’t know who pockets the money. There is talk that his wife is a distributor.

  54. Molly's Mom Says:

    Are you working for Matlock? His wife is listed on the contributor list for the Spike Maynard fundraiser in Morgantown last year; she states that she is a homemaker.

  55. anniem Says:

    Julian Bailes

    http://www.health.wvu.edu/services/spine-center/pdf/bailes.pdf

  56. get serious Says:

    good question molly’s mom, need to get the school hospital and uha on the same page. need to get more funding from the state, hospital and health system without crippling them. the health system does not benefit the school or uha so they need to ante up. need to reward physicians who work and reorganize those that don’t. it dr. bob and team 20 years to get them there it won’t turn around overnight. etc,etc,etc

  57. Molly's Mom Says:

    I know this is a tough task, but it seems as if it can be done. It is highly unlikely that more state funding will be forthcoming for Morgantown, in my opinion. There does not seem to be much excess, so things will need to be done differently.

  58. Poe Dunk Says:

    This is way out of my league. but what research $ has Dr. Bailes brought to WVU? Didn’t Cryomedical Sciences on his grants list change its name to Biolife Solutions?

  59. givemeabreak Says:

    Mark PGH Says:
    July 1, 2008 at 11:26 am
    This is total bullshit….something has to be done NOW to make sure that everyone involved in the Breschgate matter is GONE from WVU….and I mean COMPLETELY GONE WITH NO FURTHER INVOLVEMENT with the school. This includes:
    GARRISON who will be gone
    LANG who will be paid handily while on sabbatical
    CASE staying…meaningless
    MACIA going
    SEARS quasi gone & bet he leaves
    And anyone else I may have forgotten.
    Why doesn’t anyone call for the resignatin of the faculty including Lang & Sears who are the hand raisers who said she had the degree? Because TENURE is right up there with Godliness….what a joke

  60. Simply Amazed Says:

    Bailes will continue to get HIS way. He’s like a rebel child – tell him no and he tries even harder to get his own way. If going through the proper channels doesn’t work then he uses his political connections to get whatever he wants. He makes empty promises and gets away with things that any other chair would have been ousted for. He’s famous for promising the world to your face and laughing as he steps on you when he changes his mind (or has it changed for him). There are two categories of people at WVU – good guys (like Prescott – you see where that got him!) and bad guys (the good ‘ol boys . . . you know their names). Last time I checked the hospital had a no solicitation policy – Uha probably does too, but Bailes decided for himself that those rules don’t pertain to him . . . so he sells fish oil! Nothing is beneath him. It’s all about fame and power and nothing/no one is an obstacle. He’ll make you FAMOUS! Dirty deeds done dirt cheap!

  61. MGW Says:

    Mark PGH @ 11:26 a.m. I’d throw Logar and Blakely from the business school in the mix as well. I recently expressed your same sentiments to friends and family and they had a different take which made me feel a “little” better. First, the MG crew didn’t get away with this–they haven’t paid the penalty I think they should pay but they lost some money and power. An academic review committee is looking at the tenured folks and there may be retirements, resignations, and outright firings. I just hope they move more quickly than usual to resolve these issues. The BOG is still in denial (see Farmer’s deposition in the RR case) but a real spotlight has fallen on them and now we have some new members who will bring some new perspective. And finally–don’t hate me for this one–we should be thanking Heather Bresch. When I see what happened in the short time this administration is in power, I’d hate to think what we’d be like in a couple years. She wanted them to do her a favor but she really did us one instead. Now one caveat to my sunny comments: I’ll be totally ticked off if MG gets a big cash buyout to go away.

    So happy new (fiscal) year! There’s a new provost, business dean, BOG members, and maybe new president. And to bring it back to HSC: new interest in one of the most important institutions in the state.

  62. Undercover Says:

    givemeabreak – A number of faculty have called for the removal of Lang and Sears (and Blakely). Tenure does not protect against malfeasance. I believe the Academic Integrity Panel is investigating their actions. If Lang has any smarts, and he has plenty, he’ll retire. Sears is probably too young to retire, so he’s probably in trouble.

  63. Interested Party Says:

    Lang and Sears are being rewarded for their silence.

    Garrison, Walker, Macia and Pastilong are being rewarded for lying.

  64. from the outside looking in Says:

    It doesnt seem like j bailes believes in the power of prayer or God! What religion does he belong to? As they say “you cant take it with you”! No money in the world can prevent what God has planned for you.. just look at President Reagan, Mohammed Ali, Mike J Fox. Our future and destiny is all in Gods hands and no interference can change that. J Bailes may have forgotten that without the men and women in the military fighting for our freedom here in America that he would not be FREE to be able to make his millions let alone sell his fish oil.

  65. Gimmie a break Says:

    Molly’s Mom @ 11:22 am:”Having Carolyin Long as chair of the BOG is a big problem. How can that be avoided?”

    Not sure if Lang as Chair can be avoided, but we have seen already the Chair of the BOG wields a huge level of influence not fully appreciated previously. One concern with Lang, since Goodwin is not actually resigning from the Board and he clearly loves the power of the Chair and would never have given it up if he were not so connected to MG, is that Goodwin could try to use a weak-link BOG Chair like Lang as cover to try to maintain control and power. The best way to prevent that would be to elect Vest as Chair of BOG. He would be perfect and as a former President of MIT, you would think he could steer the ship in the right direction. So is there some way to get the local bozos on the Board to do the right thing and pick their new, over-qualified member as Chair? Probably not. But stranger things have happened, and we all should encourage (pressure, cajole, whatever) them to do just that.

  66. MGW Says:

    Outside Looking In: Are you kidding me? This is a joke, right? Who cares what religion he is. And if American soldiers are dying for fish oil instead of oil…god, help us.

  67. wvuhscex Says:

    MGW………what else can you say……………………..

  68. BBER Says:

    MGW, et al.

    New Interim Dean Trumbull announces that Logar has resigned. Unfortunately, he has been given a sabbatical for the Fall semester. It’s the first day without Sears, so Trumbull is gaining some creds. The only one left in control of programs who contributed to the falsification of grades is Blakely. Get him out and then begin to address the issue of tenure. Tenure can and should be denied for the deliberate falsification of the transcript. Go after Lang, Sears, Logar, and Blakely for their contributions to this farse. Do it now!

  69. old gold Says:

    To “From the Outside”: I’m a God-fearing man, but you need to get a grip! Comments like that give the faithful a bad name.

  70. MGW Says:

    So another resignation that’s not a resignation??? I hope that doesn’t get out in the press.

  71. Devo Says:

    Outside looking in:
    Keep looking in, and quit commenting!

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  73. Citizen of WV Says:

    Have been reading this blog for a long time.
    Have never said anything until today.
    May never make a posting again.
    But, would like to say one thing, based on this blog, my observations as a citizen and my readings:

    Manchin is the leader of a group of self-serving individuals who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. Manchin is causing the state to rot from within. Manchin and his followers must be ejected from public life in this state, and must not be permitted to regain any foothold of power.
    Manchin must go.
    Manchin must go.
    Manchin must go.

    Thank you HK for your efforts to discover the bare truth.

  74. MGW Says:

    Citizen: welcome to the “mob.”

    HK: now you’re at 94 with a bullet as one of the top posts on WordPress. Must be a lot of “mobsters” out there reading you. Just one question, why do you call youself Hippie Killer?

  75. WVU Employee Says:

    So Looselips–the state of WV or UHA is paying a secretary to take orders for Bailes fish oil business??

  76. Looselips Says:

    it’s a 293 number so my guess it’s UHA

  77. interested observer Says:

    I will have much more respect for MIR if they challenge the bogus sabatical of Lang. 100k to do nothing. Special treatment after all this? Then controlling important funds for research. The scandal continues. How can this be stopped?

  78. WVU Employee Says:

    293 numbers are in the HSC, but secretaries can be state employees or UHA depending on funding.

  79. Looselips Says:

    Robin and Sue are in Neurosurgury office administration in HSC

  80. Looselips Says:

    Another physician told me today that he inquired about the fish oil from another neurosurgeon who works under Bailes and the other neurosurgeon refused to talk about it

  81. WVU Employee Says:

    Sixty capsules of Omega Max on the Amerisciences website costs $45. The recommended dose is 2-3/day.

  82. Looselips Says:

    they are selling a bottle of something for $21. Don’t know how much is in the bottle, whether it is capsules or just oil.

  83. Poe Dunk Says:

    Hey, let his wife set up a booth at HSC, and he can help her sell this stuff. I don’t care, as long as he keeps his paws off the restructuring and administration. Find someone with solid experience for the VP.

  84. Crystal Palace Says:

    I am in the process of placing dog shit in small medicine bottles.
    I will be marketing it as Dr. Manchin’s Old Fashioned Remedy.
    It cures most anything, including lumbago, crotch rot and hangnails.
    Only 1 dollar per bottle. A bottle should last the typical WV citizen about one month.
    To purchase, call the WVU HSC Dept of Neurosurgery at 1 800 Bull Shit, and for Julian.

    Another example of the farce and shit put into motion by the Manchin Machine.

  85. Merkie Says:

    Is it true that Dr. Jerry Lang will be heading up the “Brains for Bucks”? His posting place will be somewhere on the Evansdale Campus or close to HSC? Why are these corruptors allowed to continue in positions that if that was “normal staff” they would have been subject to termination? Why did Dr. Perone work so hard to get Garrison out but fails to get rid of all the other baggage? Is it because Dr. Lang was a good ole boy from Arts and Sciences which would encompass Dr. Perone, Dr. Boyd Edwards, and other Arts and Sciences faculty? I say clean house completely don’t just sweep stuff under the rugs.

  86. lumpy rug beater Says:

    sweeping under the rug is an advanced degree program at WVU, I believe…

  87. liven wit' it Says:

    Physicians are ethically (and legally) prohibited from self-referral. Many physicians provide information on the availability of a variety of products and services … this pharmacy can compound this medication, that physical therapy place can provide the type of PT you need, even a recommendation on which surgeon is best at the proceedure being considered. Anything being sold for cash only out of a medical office is certainly ethically suspect, and doing this without at a minimum paying rent (or a cut of the profits) to the owner of the premises is likely theft.

    The party line is:
    1) UHA forbade selling fish oil in the clinical office in the Physician’s Office Center (POC), and sales moved to Dr Bales’ academic office in the Health Sciences Center (a state/WVU owned building)
    2) There appears not be a policy that forbids the operation of a private business out of an office in a state building ??? (please say it ain’t so!)
    3) Dean Prescot told Dr Bailes to stop selling the fish oil, that is rumored to be one of the planks in Dean Prescot’s being fired.

    However, if you hurry, you too can join Dr Bailes on a cruise later this month and learn the wonders of snake er… fish oil.
    http://www.zonediet.com/ZoneCruise/tabid/166/Default.aspx

  88. Anonymous Says:

    It would be helpful is someone would analyze and verify the information on the cv which was posted earlier for Dr. Bailes.

  89. Where's Waldo? Says:

    Jerry Lang has worked on the Bucks for Brains research plan, but I haven’t heard that he is heading up Bucks for Brains.

    Everyone I’ve talked to agrees that the State probably wasted $35 million on B4B because WVU is not going to be able to recruit top-level researchers.

    It would have been difficult pre-Garrison. Impossible now.

  90. Leonardo Says:

    Recruiting researchers now is highly unlikely; getting donors to open their pockets is another giant problem. What a friggin’ waste of time and money and reputation for WVU.

    Jerry Lang has been on a downhill spiral for years. Did Jerry Lang ever really accomplish anything? What a jerk. One ripoff after another, and now we keep paying him.

  91. lumpy rug beater Says:

    um…he was really good at the rug stuff, apparently

  92. Curious Journey Says:

    Citizen of WV – Manchin wouldn’t know what an efficient allocation of resources looks like. I’m livin’ it everyday…I totally agree with you.

    Liven’ wit it – we should also look at the Mary Kay and Avon sales!!!

  93. Leonardo Says:

    Is anyone beginning to add up the legal fees, independent panel costs, consulting costs for R and V, etc? The legal fees alone must be in the millions but all I see in the press is the $31,000 paid for the Bresch panel. That has to be the tip of the iceberg.

  94. WV Native 2 Says:

    Lang has told people that he will be going to the Research Corp and work on Bucks for Brains also known as the home for overpaid, underutilized administrators. They used to go on special assignment, now they go to the Research Corp. WVU has to raise the $35 million matching money for the program. Sadly, Lang was once a top fundraiser when he was dean of Arts & Sciences. Faculty ARE upset with Lang, Sears, et al. and as someone pointed out earlier, there is a committee investigating the charges. Lang has been told he’s not welcome back in Biology, his home department.

    Does anyone else hate that name: Bucks for Brains? I mean, does that sound like a top-notch research program you want to donate to? Open for Business and Bucks for Brains–can they not hire a wordsmith down in Charleston? Or a English intern?

  95. WV Native 2 Says:

    *an English intern.

  96. Devo Says:

    Native: I’m with you on the BFB bullshit. It sucks!

  97. Devo Says:

    If we had enough Bucks maybe we could purchase some Brains for those Boneheads in Chaleston.

  98. Things that make you go hmmmmmm Says:

    What fees did Garrison agree to give the lawyers (no bid contracts) suing RR?

  99. Devo Says:

    I wish Pat White was running for governor, he could beat MoJo.

  100. where's speaker? Says:

    The Bresch mess starts and ends with Speaker. Start looking at his history of power abuse and financial wrangling and you might begin to understand why his superiors could be pressured into supporting Bresch’s allegations. They know they won’t be able to revoke anyone’s tenure for their decisions, if all the facts are uncovered during an academic integrity review, and airing details of Speaker’s reign over the eMBA would damage B&E far more than the April 23rd report. This isn’t about paying off the academic administrators–whatever may happen with all the president’s men for their roles–it’s about protecting the university from one out of control professor–and the backlash from students, alumni, etc. if Speaker’s activities become public.

  101. Jobbed Says:

    Buck for Brains is the name of Kentucky’s research program.

    But MoJo and his Boy Chancellor kept calling it Bucks for Jobs. What we didn’t know was that the jobs were going to be for all of MoJo’s cronies. A million and a half dollars will be lost just paying the salaries and benefits of Garrison and those in “the room,” much less hangers-on like Satterfield.

    The job’s been done on us.

  102. eMBA Wannabe Says:

    Surely Speaker can’t be that bad or Garrison and crew would have sacrificed him along the way.

  103. Not an Alum Says:

    Speaker: Let’s see, Heather didn’t finish her degree in 1998 and he didn’t give it ot her. Bad man!!

    And he was so intimidating that when he shows up in a meeting he didn’t call, he was able to use mind games to convince them to give them the degree he didn’t give them. Amazing!

    So the bogus MBA was to protect Paul, not Heather. Genius!

    I think HK addressed this issue in “They’re Pinning this on Speaker” a long time ago. The academic committee should probably look at him too but so far I don’t see anything in the panel’s report that implicates him.

    But the “audit” goes on.

    And if one professor in the business school was out of control for so many years, there are more administrators who need to get their asses kicked.

    Sorry, Steve Sears, I’m not buying it. Go unpack your boxes in your new office!

  104. where's speaker? Says:

    Um. That would be why he was removed from his position years ago…. And just maybe one of the reasons why told nine different stories in his various interviews to the panel and the press.

  105. Where's Waldo? Says:

    My hunch is that Speaker is far from perfect, but I don’t understand how he came out so unscathed.

  106. Not an Alum Says:

    So you’re saying all these high level administrators gave Heather an MBA to protect the business school? It’s just a coincidence she’s the governor’s daughter? Let’s concede you’re telling the truth and Speaker is a slippery little devil who has tuition dollars stuffed into his pockets. Did he pull grades out of thin air and create a false record for Heather? According to their own testimony, it was Sears and Blakely. And if he was a disgraced and dismissed administrator, why didn’t these administrators take a closer look at the facts and payment records before they retroactively awarded her a degree. I know if I had a problem employee I’d be extra careful before I made such a rash decision. Why didn’t Speaker just give her the degree in 1998 and make up some stuff to cover his trail, since he’s such a genius at deceiving his superiors. Obviously you don’t like him. I don’t know him. If the “audit” shows that he was routinely giving away degrees then more people at the business school need to be fired and I mean fired, not just resigned.

  107. reality check Says:

    Speaker is a liar and got his revenge. Lang had him fired through Sears and Speaker was bitter. I know that he was giving out degrees with various arrangements because he told me that when he was in control. Lang made the decision (not Sears) in October because he hated Speaker and also because of great arrogance and desire to make Garrison look corrupt. He thought he could pin it on Sears and make MG look bad at the same time. Lang is laughing all the way to the bank…

  108. Things that make you go hmmmmmm Says:

    One thing I can say for MG’s apologists. You guys never give up, even though no one’s buying what you’re selling.

  109. MGW Says:

    So it’s not about Heather? It’s Speaker’s revenge against Lang who was trying to make Garrison “look” corrupt. This plot has more twists than a Hollywood movie.

    Garrison and the BOG have been insisting MG is innocent because of the Independent Panel’s report. They have consistently and adamantly said it exonerates him. These five people seemed to find Speaker more credible than the others who testified so those are the facts as they stand today.

    If all these people had these petty little hatreds and they couldn’t put it aside to come to a true and honest conclusion then the new dean at the business school has a tough job ahead.

  110. Overcast Sunday Says:

    Lang needs to go big time. After he was talked into not running for WVU President position, he used his many talents to kill off the new president. Mike Garrison may be able to play politics in Charleston, but WVU and Lang were too tough for him. MG wasn’t qualified academically, with work experience, or politically.

    Lang fights dirty. He has hurt students, faculty, and administration. Where does he get this power? If he doesn’t get exposed for his nastiness, shame on WVU and the Board of Governors. We may as well give up.

  111. Overcast Sunday Says:

    Make no mistake from the above post, Garrison needs to exit the campuses of WVU and asap. He has ruined WVU, almost beyond fixing.
    I hope to hell that the interim president has some power. And give Walker the boot now. What arrogance makes him think he can stay and be helpful to the new president. Gimme a break!

  112. Steph Says:

    Remember from the Independant Panel questions – Speaker said “that’s the one thing we know didn’t happen” when assumptions were made that HB’s word was reliable. Then when the others were asked if they even heard that statement, I don’t recall anyone remembering hearing it. That’s about the only thing (under his breath or not) that got him off the hook during the investigation, regardless of how he ran the department.

    Lang’s power come with the provost position. He’s not the first to use it in this way.

  113. Overcast Sunday Says:

    I think he has taken it to extremes, Steph. There is no defending his behavior, and he needs to get out of WVU sooner, rather than later. He has lost the little respect he had.

  114. Steph Says:

    If you say so, Overcast. I only know what made it into the press. It always did appear to be a hazy MBA program from the outset, with different academic calendar dates and all. Payments always looked shaky, too. Yet the Independant Panel review did not really recognize any of that as problematic, at least for their purposes.

    And now I’m wondering which person you are talking about – it almost doesn’t matter! I was speaking of Speaker, and you are probably speaking of Lang. Many who are closer to the situation than I are in full agreement with you regarding Lang.

  115. Boudicca Says:

    I think it is inappropriate to use the dept. sec. name and phone number for the fish oil sales in this forum. Those gals shouldn’t be drug into this mess…..my two cents worth! I would think the Dean’s office would be the place to call, and be referred to NS, if such purchase is desired.

  116. Boudicca Says:

    or inquiries

  117. Overcast Says:

    Oops, my fault. I was referring to Lang.

  118. Overcast Says:

    It would help if Mylan would cut a deal with Dr. Bailes re: Omega Rx etc.

  119. steelWVU Says:

    the new Conflict of Interest policy that was circulated in draft form specifically prohibits this fish oil situation–perhaps it will be known as the “Bailes Clause”!

  120. Christy Callaghan Says:

    Overcast Sunday at 7:34 A.M. said:

    “Lang needs to go big time. After he was talked into not running for WVU President position, he used his many talents to kill off the new president.”

    Lang, was not talked out of running for WVU President; he was nominated and wanted the job very badly and had the full support of President Hardesty — however, the Manchin/Goodwin fix was already in for Garrison, so they made sure Lang was not a finalist — as he had (on paper) a hugh advantage over Garrision in terms of Higher Ed experience. I am not suggesting foir a moment that Lang should or would have been a good candidate for WVU President — I personally believe his tenure as Provost was highlighted by arrogance, insensitivity and sucking up to the elites who eventually brought WVU to where it is today.

    On the matter of Speaker — the independent investiagtion panel reviewed the historic records relating to the eMBA program because the Garrison crew tried to push repsonsibility for the scandal off onto Speaker.

    The panel found no significant historic problems with the eMBA program based on their independent review of the actual records.

    When Garrison and Macia persisted in trying to blame Speaker pointing to more than 70 eMBA degrees that they claimed were problematic during Speakers’ tenure as head of the program, HK blew the whistle on them and the independent panel members were queried by the Post-Gazette and strongly confirmed that there was no eveidence of serious problems with the program except for the fraudulent Bresch degree.

    Maybe Speaker was not a good adminsitrator and perhaps there were substantial problems with the way he ran the eMBA program — the public evidence so far does not support this charge -

    – what we do know is that he was the one person involved in the fraud and coverup who refused to go along with it, although under great pressure from a whole tier of officials above him including the University President, Provost, General Counsel and his own Dean.

    He could have bought into the fradulent scheme and told the independent panel that he supervised Bresch, met with her, reviewed the documents she allegedly gave him from her “work” in California and decided she had satisfied the criteria for the degree. Had, he done so all of the disgraced corrupt people who facilitated the scandal from Garrison on down would still be running WVU.

    The upshot of reviewing all this is that Overcast Sundays’ thesis that Speaker was behind it all and that Lang orchestrated the whole mess to get rid of Garrison is a total fantasy inconsistent with the known facts. My experience with this blog is that the overarching goal is to dig out the truth and speak truth to power.

  121. Overcast Says:

    It is still unbelievable that this has been allowed for so long in our institution.

  122. Overcast Says:

    I do not see that my comment said Speaker was behind it. And I don’t see a statement that Lang orchestrated the Bresch unearned degree.

  123. Christy Callaghan Says:

    My most humble apologies to “Overcast Sunday”! Says:

    It was “Where’s speaker?” who said at July 1, 2008 at 11:17 pm :

    “The mess starts with Speaker”

    It was Where’s Speaker’s post and thesis that was inconsistent with the facts and went off into fantasyland.

    However, OC, all of the evidenc epoints to the fact that after Lang was passed over by the Manchin/Goodwin hand-picked search committee — he agreed to stay on and do the corrupt biding of the inept Garrison crowd. He wasn’t trying to “kill Garrison” — he was doing what he has always done best — curry favor with those who can do him favors — and dump on those who are weak and without power.

    Forgive me for a “senior moment” by one who isn’t all that “senior.”

  124. Overcast Says:

    Hey, I understand. But even if Lang has to move to a new setting at the same salary, you know he is feeling pretty danged happy Garrison is in a mess (even if he doesn’t acknowledge it)

    Thanks.

  125. Hippie Killer Says:

    I’m not defending Lang by any means. He’s a big boy, and he knew what he was getting into. But.

    Insomuch as anyone got played in this debacle, I think it was Lang.

  126. Overcast Says:

    I’d dig a little deeper, HK. But it’s a nice thought you have there.

    I just think there is a huge club, which formed going back to his early days at WVU, whose members don’t feel too sorry for him. They worked with him.

    I’d like him better if he left the institution immediately.

  127. Hippie Killer Says:

    I don’t feel sorry for him either. From what I hear he’s an arrogant ass.

    But I’d bet that if the faculty did try to run him off or strip is tenure, he’d end up singing like a little bird.

    Something to think about.

  128. Christy Callaghan Says:

    What I remember best about Lang and the Bresch scandal is the video where he makes a statement after the Invsitigation Panel report came out — in which he said he wouldn’t do anything differently if he had the whole thing to do over again. That is the best evidence that he should be fired!

    I don’t think he would “sing like a bird” however — he’d get some hack defense lawyer from Steptoe or Jackson Kelly — or even Steve Farmer and fight his discharge tooth and nail — but I think he would surely lose — and if deposed properly, he would give up the farm.

  129. Molly's Mom Says:

    Love the ideas, HK. Let’s get to work. And yes, Christy, that was a breaking point for me, too. What a smug person.

  130. Poe Dunk Says:

    When does the HSC Search Committee meet? Who develops agenda, etc?

  131. Francis Pierpont Says:

    I think Christy has a pretty good handle on Lang and his m.o.

  132. wvuhscex Says:

    poe dunk….great question………….why dont you ask FRED, he is constantly scouring other peoples agendas/calenders, he is bound to know….

  133. Looselips Says:

    you know at the town hall meeting, Butcher was told by faculty that they wanted to be kept informed. This was to be the new age of transparency. It is time for the faculty to hear from Dr. Butcher again. Think I might email him.

  134. Looselips Says:

    In fact, that is my to-do list for tomorrow. I will report back.

  135. wvuhscex Says:

    Butcher is very transparent…….you can see thru the talking head….his interest is to keep his job……..he will do ANYTHING to attain thatgoal…….your interest is irrelevant to him……..

  136. Looselips Says:

    sounds like you were burned badly

  137. Looselips Says:

    wvuhscex, what did Butcher do to you? I keep hearing negative things about him, but other than riding the fence and maintaining the status quo, what has he done. I am asking, because I don’t know.

  138. Anonymous Says:

    He is manipulative, disloyal, and short-sighted. His interest is to keep his job, as was said before, and if they chose him for VP, it would be right in line with his goals. How about his thinking that WVU can create a heart institute? How about the ad in the Dominion Post? He lied and said that things were fine with departments that have had long term problems. He really thinks that PR will solve a lot of the problems; it is an image problem. Or so he says.

    He loves the little bit of power that he has, and he will do what the higher ups want and not consider best interests of HSC.

    Many good health professionals have been damaged by him. His name is on the R and V report, but you would think that he never worked with them at all. He has some personal bad behaviors too , but that is off limits for me.

  139. wvuhscex Says:

    looselips…i have personally witnessed the joy in his face when he rode GREAT clinicians out of town…he took a great deal of pride in the “well i got him to leave”, when that was the worst thing for the patients of West Virginia…docs who are successful in their present positions OUTSIDE of WVU,and could have helped make the HSC a great place……..all because of his ego, short sightedness, and need for power/budget………want names?

  140. wvuhscex Says:

    oh, and personally burned me?..no,not at all…..my departure was really sad……..but it was NOT solely because of Fred………..

  141. Anonymous Says:

    He didn’t personally burn me either, but he does delight in it. I have been a little surprised by how far he is willing to go, since I believe that ultimately what goes around comes around.

    If I were Jim Brick, I wouldn’t work too closely with Fred.

  142. wvuhscex Says:

    oh, Jim Brick and John Brick are VERY aware of Fred

  143. Poe Dunk Says:

    The public perception in Charleston and elsewhere is that they are a team.

  144. wvuhscex Says:

    Jim plays the dumb school teacher doctor…country bumpkin……..and i can tell you that i learned so much medicine from him and his brother……they are REALLY smart, good school teachers!…..they will never be played for Fred’s fools….

  145. Anonymous Says:

    How about Bailes and Butcher? Pre- and post-R and V? How does the neuroscience institute fit into HSC and these folks?

  146. wvuhscex Says:

    i’ll bet you that Fred and company are still looking for the 7 million………

  147. Anonymous Says:

    Also the Ducatmans and Fred? Would that be Ducatmen?

  148. Poe Dunk Says:

    Hey, wvuhscex, how on earth can the HSC search committee as presently configured possibly do anything?

  149. Looselips Says:

    wvuhscex, without naming names, why would Butcher drive great physicians out of town?

  150. Skywalker Says:

    Anonymous: Please tell us more about the heart institute, especially since WVU has only one CT surgeon?? I heard/read that a CT surgeon was coming on board as chief (CT surgery) due to the R & V follies. Things keep getting more interesting as I read this blog.

  151. wvuhscex Says:

    looselips…………powertrip…….poor ego formation……not knowing how to support clinical research programs……..just a bizarre thing……..sort of like reveling in the fact that he unmantled what he was suppossed to be leading…….i never understood why he wanted to be the leader of a parade with no one in it………but then again people without true leadership skills,and lack of training in that field, surrounded by good people can ge scared that they are not truly important……

  152. crazed Says:

    I think you all are very shortsited. Butcher is just interim and trying to do what needs done at the time. I know he and Brick have personally met with all departments only for faculty AND staff to ask questions and give suggestions. If you have something to say, quit hiding behind this blog and say it. You’re wusses. You attack everyone – you’re using this as a vent but you don’t have the guts to same something other than attack people on here. Bailes is popular and someone must be very jealous – I’m guessing someone that may have recently been leg go? I take the fish oil – with good reason, but don’t get it from him. From what I understand he has nothing to do with it being sold now and hasn’t for over a year- it’s a private company. Why are you so loud mouthed on the blog – but hiding behind it? This is no more than a bunch of mouthy, rebellious teenagers……..

  153. wvuhscex Says:

    crazed…………great name you picked………….thats what makes this blog great, you can have your own opinion………but the majority of the faculty at the HSC might not agree with you……the word ACADEMIA haas scared the leadership for so many years at this zInstitution (actually since 1988),that there has basically been a dismantling of what a true academic center is suppossed to look like…….and these folks are right in the middle of it…..and are passionate about fixing it…….attempting to do that in the “correct fashion”,has led to many good people being fired/left………good luck in your fantasy

  154. get serious Says:

    dear crazed, if you don’t spout the party line on this blog you get shouted down in typical left wing fashion. welcome to the party.

  155. Molly's Mom Says:

    What party line? Everyone has an opinion. No one gets killed off. Butcher mentioned the heart institute at the town meeting. Yes, we have a “bit of a problem with recruitment and retention, but so what?”

    Keep commenting. It’s a more diverse group than you think.

  156. Molly's Mom Says:

    Oh, and crazed, did you want to give us your name and email. Glad to know you don’t mind being FOIAd, something that never has happened in the history of HSC until now.

  157. Looselips Says:

    Molly’s Mom, Crazed is just another Bailes secretary emailing from work. He is popular with his secretaries, remember Ruth? Well, Crazed, you better go read your rules and regulations. You can be fired for posting on a blog from work. Be careful.

  158. virtual health sciences Says:

    another interim director announced: research compliance

  159. Looselips Says:

    Some news just in:

    An letter was sent to Fox offering him chair of the dept of anesthesiology for one million.

    The anesthesia residency has been on probation. In the next month they will find out if they lose it or not

  160. Just Wondering Says:

    Which Fox is that? Where from? Is a million really the going rate for the chair of anesthesiology at a state med school? Is it common for a department of a med school to be put on probation? I remember at one time WVU’s Ob-Gyn department was in danger of losing its accreditation. Is this a frequent situation?

  161. steelWVU Says:

    Research Compliance interim is due to Bob Craig’s retirement, and nothing nefarious.

  162. Concerned Says:

    Bring Howard Kaufman back

  163. Concerned Says:

    Since the fish oil was sold on State of WV time would the records be FOIA accessable – or – why doesn’t Bailes release them – isn’t transparency our new HSC goal, if he has nothing to hide, let everyone see that he is not making additional income by using HSC staff, clinic, and time

  164. Poe Dunk Says:

    Anesthesiologists do make big bucks everywhere. And this place has a shitty reputation, so we pay an extra premium. Isn’t he referring to Fox from Tulane? Does Dr. Bailes get a finders fee? Maybe through the R and V recruitment effort?

  165. WU Tom Cat Says:

    Just Wondering:

    Anesthesiology was placed on probation because the former Chair hired more residents than they were accredited for. Being put on probation is not a common occurrence.

  166. wvuhscex Says:

    yes, dr fox went to LSU med school…..and has been at Tulane…….tulane’s website for anesthesiology reminds me of the WVU Med school web page,lots of “under construction” pages…..especially under their listings for RESEARCH

  167. Poe Dunk Says:

    Dr. Bailes retains power?

  168. Poe Dunk Says:

    wvuhscex do you know Dr. Choppin, consultant to HSC Search Comm?

    Seems like a lot of Louisiana boys. Any chance we can get Terry Bradshaw and James Carville up here?

  169. wvuhscex Says:

    no, but there are lots of choppin’s down there……..sort of like the “mayle’s and Mayle’s” of west virginia………

  170. Poe Dunk Says:

    okay. I was wondering about connection to Dr. Bailes, since he was LSU grad too. Not that that is a bad thing, mind you.

    And LaReina, I’d want to bring along Mary Matalin too, if James comes on board the HSC faculty.

  171. fishferfun Says:

    Don’t forget ole Nick Saban. Didn’t he coach for LSU? He’s a twofer — WV and LA connections. Hire him for the HSC. Once you get into the millions, people lose county anyway.

  172. Molly's Mom Says:

    See! And maybe we can bring Harry Connick up. Gives us something positive to anticipate.

  173. virtual health sciences Says:

    Tom Cat,

    No, not nefarious; but still a void, given the interim

  174. virtual health sciences Says:

    sorry, steelWVU…

  175. Poe Dunk Says:

    Happy 4th. Anyone in the know who can give us update on Butcher/Brick/Bailes and anything happening with Search Committee? New person at Neuroscience Inst? Isn’t that opening soon?

  176. wvuhscex Says:

    poe dunk, the first thing the “new person” at the Neurosciences Institute needs to do is find the 7 million…………

  177. Poe Dunk Says:

    That is highly unlikely. They need to find enough money to keep themselves afloat. It ain’t gonna be easy.

  178. wvuhscex Says:

    no the 7 million that is MISSING already………

  179. Poe Dunk Says:

    Is this the money R & V were looking for? Dan Durbin was at HSC then the President’s Office. Wouldn’t he have a clue? What is he doing now?

  180. wvuhscex Says:

    and again the HSC blog dies………….and is why the hsc will remain the same…….

  181. Poe Dunk Says:

    So what is happening in the big boys’ offices aside from hiding and answering FOIA requests?

  182. poliscigeek Says:

    take note that the PPG (Sunday) has listed Ms. Manchin-Bresch as one of the highest paid females in the region – she is among a group of highly respected and credentialed exec women — hmmmm.

  183. poliscigeek Says:

    Just looking to return some focus where it belongs and to the fact that so far, no consequences for action.

  184. MarionCoNative Says:

    I noted earlier posts about the Mylan BOD. I did send an email to one person at USC. Haven’t had time to mail letters to others.
    Top management sets the ethical standards for the entire company.
    How would you like to have to report to Ms. Manchin-Bresch?

  185. Looselips Says:

    WVUhscex: you keep referring to the 7 million missing, what are you talking about? Can you say more?

  186. Thinking of Mylan Says:

    the free clinic in Morgantown is named for Puskar. How much money did he give to do that? And does Mylan give free drugs to all the free clnics in WV or help with any drug programs for older west virginians.

  187. wvuhscex Says:

    looselips,just know that senator rockefeller would probably not want to figure out the financial malfeasance(sp?) of an Institute dedicated to his mother…….the usual “shell game”………

  188. Poe Dunk Says:

    So who’s in charge at BRNI? Dan Alkon, the shady character, or the new (old) guy supposedly in charge of operations? Where did he come from? And is Garrison and crew still on board?

  189. poliscigeek Says:

    MarionCoNative: ethics standards are dictated by Sarbanes Oxley and are to be implemented and enforced by management and the BOD. With respect to the degree situation, no action has been taken – NONE. In fact, Ms. Manchin-Bresch is one of the highest paid females in the region.

    as to your last question: would not.

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